and there was a 17-point spread in nevada. so what does president obama now owe the unions for supporting him? joining us is the author of "shadow boxing, government unions control america and rob taxpayers blind," mallory factor. nice to see you again. >> good to see you. >> alisyn: so that was richard trumka taking a victory lap, basically saying they turned out lots of support for the president. the president wouldn't have won without him. is he overstating the case? >> no. he's understating the case. it is unbelievable the amount of resources that the unions put out. they gave him a half a billion dollars and they had 400,000 people out on the streets for him, more than 400,000 actually. and they really spent a lot of time in the seven battle ground states. obama would not have won. nevada, wisconsin, ohio, without big labor. richard trumka was right. he owes him big time and this union label president will pay off. >> alisyn: okay. so as we know, politics is a game of tit for tat. you say that the president owes them big